DNA’s Partner in the Dance of Life

Intelligent Design the Future

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Astronomy, Life Sciences, Science, Philosophy, Society & Culture

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🗓️ 22 June 2026

⏱️ 23 minutes

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Many of us have heard about one of the biggest discoveries in modern biology: the discovery of the information code embedded in DNA. But perhaps an even bigger discovery than that would be that DNA isn’t running the show by itself. A second revolution is underway centered around a hidden layer of information beyond DNA that helps direct the development of every living thing. On this episode of ID The Future, host Andrew McDiarmid welcomes Dr. Tom Woodward to the show to discuss his new book, co-authored with Dr. James Gills: Epigenetics and the Architect: Evidence of Design at the Frontier of Biology. This is Part 1 of a two-part conversation.

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0:00.0	In the 90s and early 2000s, the scientists were uncovering this continent, this incredible system of layer upon layer of additional codes, patterns of information that almost, I won't say they put DNA to shame, but they act like a dramatic, wonderful dance partner with DNA in the walks of life.
0:24.3	ID, The Future, a podcast about evolution and intelligent design.
0:29.9	Many of us have heard about one of the biggest discoveries in modern biology, the discovery of DNA.
0:37.1	But perhaps an even bigger discovery than that would be that DNA isn't running the show by
0:42.3	itself.
0:43.7	Now a second revolution is underway centered around a hidden layer of information, beyond DNA,
0:49.5	that helps direct the development of every living thing.
0:53.1	Welcome to ID the Future. I'm your host, Andrew McDermid.
0:56.5	Joining me to discuss this is Dr. Tom Woodward, co-author of a new book called Epigenetics
1:02.1	and the Architect, Evidence of Design at the Frontier of Biology.
1:07.1	Dr. Woodward is Professor Emeritus at Trinity College of Florida, a Princeton graduate in history and Latin American studies.
1:14.7	He completed his PhD in the Rhetoric of Science at the University of South Florida.
1:19.6	His book, Douts About Darwin, a Christianity Today book of the year in 2004, was followed by Darwin Strikes Back, defending the signs of intelligent design.
1:30.2	He has lectured on intelligent design in 38 countries. Tom, welcome to the podcast.
1:36.0	It's great to be with you. So over two episodes, I'd like to unpack some of the insights you and
1:41.4	your co-author, Dr. James Gills, discuss in epigenetics and the
1:46.3	architect. You know, it's hard not to get excited about the epigenetic revolution and what it
1:51.6	means for the study of life. But first, we do have to understand it and grasp it and really get
1:57.5	a feel for what we're talking about. So I'm looking forward to helping our audience do that
2:02.0	today. Now, Tom, your book opens with a bold claim. The biology is experiencing a second
2:08.3	revolution after the discovery of DNA. Tell us what's happening and why that's significant.
2:14.4	Sure. The main revolution of DNA, I mean, it began in the 1950s when the spiral double helix
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