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The Interview

Dmytro Kuleba: What are Ukraine's options?

The Interview

BBC

News, Government, Politics

4.3537 Ratings

🗓️ 20 December 2024

⏱️ 23 minutes

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Summary

Stephen Sackur speaks to former Ukrainian foreign minister Dmytro Kuleba. Russian forces are gaining ground along the frontline in eastern Ukraine, and US president-elect Donald Trump wants the war to end. What are Ukraine’s options now?

Transcript

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0:00.0

Welcome to Hard Talk from the BBC World Service with me, Stephen Sacker. For my guest today,

0:06.4

2024 has undoubtedly been a tough year. Dmitro Kuleber began it as Ukraine's foreign minister,

0:14.2

a post he'd held since 2020 and a role which assumed deeper significance after Russia's

0:20.0

full-scale invasion of Ukraine in February

0:22.6

2022. Kulaba became chief diplomat and emissary for his country on the international stage.

0:29.8

In particular, he focused on building relationships with the Western allies who pledged

0:35.0

to back Ukraine's determined resistance. But last September, President Zelensky

0:40.6

reshuffled his government and Kulaba was out. It was a refresh, explained the president, at a time when

0:48.5

Ukraine's military and diplomatic situation was becoming ever more difficult. However, that trend hasn't been reversed.

0:56.5

Russian forces continue to make attritional gains across the front line in eastern Ukraine.

1:02.4

Keeves forces are outmanned, outgunned and struggling to find new recruits amid signs of

1:08.4

internal discontent. Donald Trump will soon be back in the White House,

1:13.6

and his intent is clear. He wants a quick end to the war, and that is highly unlikely to be

1:19.5

on terms welcome in Kiev. So after almost three years of defiance, is Ukraine running out of

1:27.2

viable options? Well, Demetro Kulebara joins me now. Welcome to Hard Talk.

1:33.0

It's good to the back, Stephen. It's great to have you on the program. I have to ask a very simple,

1:39.4

direct, opening question. Given the situation your country finds itself in today, how low are you feeling?

1:47.7

Well, if I begin feeling low, or if my compatriots begin feeling low, this will be the beginning of the end.

1:54.5

So we realize the hardships, we realize the difficulties, but we are looking on four solutions instead of focusing

2:01.9

on the obstacles. The solutions are hard to see, aren't they? If we start with the military

2:07.3

situation on the front lines in the east, we have seen month upon month of attritional Russian

2:14.4

gains and your own commanders say there is little they can do to reverse it because your

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