Welcome to Hard Talk from the BBC World Service with me, Stephen Sacker.

My guest in this interview recorded on the 18th of June surely has one of the most high-pressure jobs in international diplomacy.

Dmitro Kuleba is in his fifth year as Ukraine's foreign minister.

And ever since Vladimir Putin's full-scale invasion of February

2022, his mission has been simple to rally global support for Ukraine's cause and persuade as many

allies as possible to come up with weapons and cash to sustain Kyiv's fight. In the US and Europe, the backing has

been considerable, but difficult questions are now unavoidable. Are the Western allies committed

to a Ukrainian victory or simply the avoidance of a Ukrainian defeat? Is the current level of assistance sustainable if in both the US and key European countries

political power is won by populist politicians eager to see an early end to the war,

even if that means doing a deal acceptable to Vladimir Putin.

Russia has vast advantages of scale in both men and material.

It can also access weapons from North Korea and Iran.

Is there a danger that Kiev will ultimately be bounced into a deal on Putin's terms? Well, Dmitro Kulabor joins me now from Kiev. Welcome to

Hard Talk. It's good to be with you again, Stephen. It's great to have you back on the show. You've just

arrived back in Kiev from a round of intensive diplomacy, including that so-called peace summit in Switzerland.

For all of the talking, what have you actually achieved in practical terms?

Well, without most respect, there is nothing so-called in the summit that we held.

It was indeed a peace summit convened upon the initiative of Ukraine based on the

peace formula put forward by President Zelensky. This formula is based on the principles of

international law and UN charter. We had 100 participants, countries and international organizations,

and one of the most important deliverables

is the following. Putin keeps making the point that the whole war that he launched against Ukraine

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