Dmytro Kuleba: Is the West's hesitation undermining Ukraine?
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BBC
4.3 • 537 Ratings
🗓️ 25 January 2023
⏱️ 23 minutes
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Summary
Stephen Sackur speaks to Ukraine’s foreign minister, Dmytro Kuleba. The war with Russia has hit a winter stalemate, but what will spring bring? From battle tanks to air defences, Ukraine wants more help from its allies. Is Western wavering undermining Kyiv’s strategic options?
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| 0:00.0 | Welcome to Hard Talk on the BBC World Service with me, Stephen Sacker. |
| 0:04.8 | This interview with Ukraine's Foreign Minister Dmitro Kulaba was recorded on Monday the 23rd of January, |
| 0:11.1 | that is, before the resignation of several senior Ukrainian government officials. |
| 0:16.2 | My guest today is Ukraine's foreign minister, Dmitro Kulaba. |
| 0:20.4 | As his country's all-out war with Russia's |
| 0:22.9 | invasion force approaches the one-year mark, his role is crucial. For without the military, |
| 0:29.1 | economic and diplomatic support of international allies, Ukraine's ability to resist would be severely |
| 0:36.3 | compromised. The U.S. alone has provided more than $27 billion worth of |
| 0:42.3 | military assistance and billions more in economic and humanitarian aid. Europe too is providing |
| 0:48.7 | weapons and economic support, and the impact has been profound. The war has patently not gone to Vladimir Putin's |
| 0:58.0 | plan. Ukraine launched successful counter-offensives before winter set in, and the vulnerabilities of |
| 1:04.2 | the Russian military have been sorely exposed. And yet, Ukraine still lacks the firepower needed to make total victory over Russia's occupying forces a realistic prospect. |
| 1:16.3 | Kiev remains desperate for modern battle tanks, specifically, the German leopard too. |
| 1:22.2 | But Berlin remains reluctant to send them or authorize allies to dispatch theirs. And with the talk in Moscow of |
| 1:30.1 | another mass mobilization and a major spring offensive, could it be that Ukraine's strategic |
| 1:36.1 | options are being compromised by wavering amongst Western allies? Well, Foreign Minister Dmitro |
| 1:43.3 | Kalaba joins me now from Kiev. |
| 1:46.2 | Welcome to Hard Talk. |
| 1:47.8 | My pleasure to be with you. It's great to have you back on the show. I'm sure you watched very |
| 1:52.9 | closely what happened in Ramstein, Germany, when Ukraine's allies met at defense minister level |
| 1:59.8 | to discuss new weapon supplies to Ukraine. What appears to have |
| 2:04.0 | emerged is yet more uncertainty, particularly about whether you're going to get tanks. How damaging |
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