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Call Me Back - with Dan Senor

Divisions in Israeli society - with Dr. Micah Goodman

Call Me Back - with Dan Senor

Ark Media

Society, October 7, Hamas, War, Foreign Policy, Geopolitics, Israel, News Commentary, News, Politics, Elections, Palestine, Dan Senor, Government

4.82.3K Ratings

🗓️ 17 June 2024

⏱️ 50 minutes

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Summary

First, a housekeeping note: Over the past eight months the audience for this podcast has grown in ways we could never have imagined, but there is no real way for us to know who is listening - age group, ideological leanings, the country you are living in, etc. These are all very helpful data points for us to improve the podcast and understand our audience. So, please fill out this 2 minute survey: https://forms.gle/nZh8ZRA5YjJxmdEW6 And one other item we wanted to bring to your attention. We are repeatedly reminded how the NYPD has continued to bravely protect our community— most recently 10 days ago at the Nova Music Festival exhibition where a mob of antisemitic rioters attempted to intimidate Jewish New Yorkers, and just before that when the NYPD helped ensure a smooth Israel Day Parade here in New York in which over 100,000 people participated. To express our thanks for helping to keep our Jewish community and all New Yorkers safe, The Paul E. Singer Foundation is matching donations up to $200,000 made to the New York City Police Foundation. Donations must be made Monday, June 24, 2024. Join us to meet and exceed this goal. If interested in donating, you can do it here: https://secure.anedot.com/nycpolicefoundation/thepesfoundation As for today's episode, as we discussed at length in our last episode -- "Haviv Unplugged!" -- the issue of a military service exemption for Haredi Jews (ultra-Orthodox Jews) is coming to a head right now, as Israel is at war. Or maybe it's coming to a head with such ferocity precisely because Israel is at war, and it's raising all sorts of questions about whether Israel has the manpower to fight a continued war in Gaza and possibly other fronts that could open up. It does seem like Israel is in an entirely new military environment, across multiple fronts. Also, are some parts of the Israeli population paying a disproportionately high price? These are questions that are being considered right now by Israel's government. These are questions that are weighing especially heavy on society after 12 soldiers over the past few days. Dr. Micah Goodman is our guest today, to help us unpack all of this. Micah is on the speed-dial of a number of Israeli political leaders – from right to left, but especially on the center-left and the center-right. He is a polymath, a podcaster and one of Israel’s most influential public intellectuals, having written books ranging from biblical lessons for the modern age to Israel’s geopolitics. One book in particular, had an outsized impact in terms of its framing of the conundrum that Israel has been in with the Palestinians since 1967. That book is called "Catch-67: The Left, the Right, and the Legacy of the Six-Day War", Not only have all of his books been bestsellers in Israel, he essentially created a new genre; books that bring core texts of Jewish thought to a general, secular audience. In his new book – called "The Eighth Day", which Micah wrote in a four-month sprint after October 7th – Micah tries to understand the implications of the nation’s trauma and what it means for the other ‘day after’ (not the ‘day after’ in Gaza, but the ‘day after’ inside Israel). What does this moment mean for Israelis? How will 10/07 re-shape Israeli society…and its politics? Micah Goodman’s books: Catch-67 — https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/catch-67-micah-goodman/1128089735?ean=9780300248418 The Wondering Jew — https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/the-wondering-jew-micah-goodman/1136574622?ean=9780300252248

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0:00.0

During the 90s, there were some periods where they were very narrow and pure left-wing governments.

0:06.9

And they tried to impose the classic lefting ideology of two-state solution. And as a result ever since, as well as

0:15.1

as a traumatized from the second antifada and that trauma has bought an end to the

0:19.6

political left in Israel. When this dark moment we're in, when we'll be in the future looking back and this will be a memory, I think it's going to be a traumatic memory. A traumatic memory linked to the idea of pure right-wing governments, which means as we're

0:35.2

talking the idea of a pure right-wing government is changing its status. It's

0:39.2

used to be a fantasy as from now on it's a trauma. A fantasy is how you imagine the future.

0:44.3

A trauma is how o'clock a.m. on Monday, June 17th in Israel.

1:05.0

Before we begin today a housekeeping note that is about you, our listeners.

1:11.0

We don't know who you are. The podcasting platforms simply do not

1:15.8

share that data with creators, which is odd but not the point I want to make right

1:20.7

now. The point I do want to make is that over the past eight months, the audience for this

1:25.8

podcast has grown in ways we could never have imagined. But there's no real concrete way for us to know who actually is listening, age group, ideological

1:36.4

leanings, the country you're living in.

1:39.0

These are all very helpful data points for us to improve the podcast and better understand our audience.

1:45.2

So in today's show notes you will find a link to a two minute survey which we would greatly

1:51.4

appreciate if you could fill out and send our way.

1:54.0

It could literally be done by the time this introduction is over.

1:58.0

And now on to the subject for today's conversation.

2:02.0

As we discussed at length in our last episode

2:05.2

called Havieve unplugged the issue of a military service exemption for

2:11.2

hareidic Jews or ultra-Orthodox Jews is coming to

2:14.3

ahead right now as Israel is in the midst of war or maybe it's coming to a

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