Welcome to diving into the wreckage. Nationalism is discontents, part 3, and our somewhat simplified number system. I think we're going to stay on nationalism for a bit so people can be content with nationalism for a while.

Something tells me looking at and reading the financial press that debt crisis series might come back pretty

soon but we'll see what happens.

Yeah I I you know those two things are intimately related in some ways because that

crises tend to be national affairs we were talking today about how to approach this one and I had a series way back.

It was a nailing it down co-production with Jean Bagellon who's a scholar on Turkish nationalism

And we were going through the different books of left-wing theories with Deep State Cuba on

the left-wing theories of national consolidation that were not the classical ones, right?

They weren't the ones that we were talking about with Otto Bauer and Panacook and

Linen. I've been going back in reading early Panacook and and his breakdowns would say Otto Bauer.

And I realized in discussing that that in some ways, you know, reading the council

comments tradition is helpful because they predict certain things that other Marxists just frankly

Miss But I don't know if at this late date we need to explain who Anton Panicoke is.

Perhaps we should. I feel like the last episode that we did there was some question in the comments that like said that things were a little bit over their heads.

So, panic oak for people who don't know was a, became a Dutch council communist actually helped to originate the conception of that coming out of various revolutions of the late in the early 20th century.

Went on to form the K ADP, was it?

Or he was a founding member,

had a lot of disagreements with Lenin,

was one of the people who Lenin was writing about

in left-wing communism and infantile disorder and became sort of the theoretical standard

bearer for the councilists moving through the 20th century.

Is that an adequate depiction of him?

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