Diving Into the Wreckage: Nationalism, Liberalism and the State 4 w/ C Derick Varn

The Antifada

Sean KB and AP Andy

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4.2 • 970 Ratings

🗓️ 13 March 2024

⏱️ 63 minutes

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Summary

Sean and Varn return with part four of their series on nationalism and the nation state. This episode is about the vexing questions of class and nation that arose in the 20th century and are unresolved today. Why did both the reformist and revolutionary wings of the classical workers movement turn towards state developmentalism? How did really existing class develop to conflict with Marxist theories of working class emancipation? What mistakes from past movements are we still making today whether we know it or not? How did the millennial left really die and how might we move past it?

This is part one of an extended, three-hour discussion. To access the full episode, become a patron of the Antifada at www.patreon.com/theantifada. To see the video of this discussion and get a whole lot more incisive commentary sign up for www.patreon.com/varnvlog

Episode on Henryk Grossman with Ted Reese: https://www.patreon.com/posts/67780560

Endnotes - A History of Separation: https://libcom.org/article/history-separation-endnotes-4

Transcript

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0:00.0	Welcome to diving into the wreckage.
0:14.0	Welcome.
0:15.0	Unclassifiable number, fairly classifiable title.
0:21.0	I believe this is Naturalism and its discontents for bringing the war back home
0:27.8	addition but we've returned of course this is a merger project of Barnvlog and the Antifada.
0:38.6	We've been at it for some time now.
0:42.2	Almost two years. Almost two years.
0:44.0	That's great, actually.
0:45.0	I feel like we've done a lot of good work.
0:47.0	I know that there's a lot of people out there who appreciate it.
0:49.0	So thank you out there for listening.
0:52.0	Listening to us, go off on various different matters.
0:54.8	But the nationalism question, right?
0:56.6	We continue on this.
0:58.1	When you and I were texting back and forth the other day,
1:02.3	I had to ask whether the sort of, I wouldn't say
1:07.1	Nomec, but like the vague sort of like conception of what this episode is going to be,
1:12.7	which is the nation and class construction.
1:16.1	Is that right?
1:17.1	I would try to kind of figure out in my head
1:20.0	how this tied into our larger debate, but I feel like we're going to have maybe a looser episode this time.
1:26.7	We'll have maybe the opportunity that you're going to bounce some ideas off of me and I'll bounce some off of you.
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