Diving into the Wreckage 8.1: Shadow of China 2 w/ C. Derick Varn

The Antifada

Sean KB and AP Andy

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4.2 • 970 Ratings

🗓️ 31 May 2023

⏱️ 63 minutes

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C. Derick Varn is back to discuss Sean's new article on China. What is the political economy of China? Was the 1949 revolution betrayed by capitalist roaders? What were the patterns of development that brought it into the world market? Should China be defended as a socialist project? Is it a model worth emulating? Lastly, does the working class of China, or anywhere for that matter, have a role to play still in history or will the future be market technocracy and slow growth forever?'

Sean's substack article (free): https://seankb.substack.com/p/whither-china

Audio recording of article available for patrons on patreon

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0:00.0	Okay, welcome to diving into the wreckage and I'm talking with Sean today about an article
0:20.3	he's going to release on China that we I'm framing this as our China
0:28.1	debates and I think it's because I have both found the great betrayal and the China as
0:40.5	Proletarian consciousness. Somewhat. as proletarian consciousness, somewhat both unsatisfactory.
0:51.7	And I think as we go into it, we'll get into why.
0:57.0	One of the things I'm going to say is one of the immediate things I'm going to push back on is that
1:06.6	Jijimping is actually an extension of Ding
1:13.7	Ding Schau-Ping even though when I talked to both Dingus from China and anti-Dingus from China. They're both fond of
1:21.3	She's jinghing and they are not they have diametrically opposed views of them.
1:27.6	Interesting. I I wrote this I will say like as preface that the people who are listening to this right now
1:35.7	we're going to be referencing a lot from this it's about an 11 page article that I
1:40.5	wrote aided tremendously by the notes from Varn and also from Andy from my
1:46.9	podcast who was supposed to be on but he couldn't make it today.
1:51.0	My purpose in this and why I hope you read it. There's going to be links for this. I'm also going to put it out on the Antifada Patreon and I think it's going to go up on sub-stack like a day or two before this happens. My intention on this was twofold. The first is to dust off my old
2:09.0	writing skills. I haven't written anything for the public
2:12.0	probably since, believe it or not, the Scott Walker, Wisconsin State Capitol insurrection. That was the good insurrection, not January 6th. This was the good
2:26.3	capital insurrection. Back in I believe it was 2011, I wrote a public piece. But I haven't
2:32.2	really written much since then for a lot of reasons, but this was my attempt to get back into the game because, you know, the things that you and I talk about, Varne, and also the things things I talk about on the podcast all the time are kind of you know
2:46.3	There's interviews with new people with new ideas or whatever there's discussions with old friends and
2:51.4	talks about books or whatever and I feel as though I'm constantly
2:55.0	like putting out questions and I'm putting out like kind of I don't know tentative
3:00.6	theories about how things work but for myself I wanted to start to actually like co-hear something and I wanted it to be more than just my disembodied voice out there for people but I wanted to be somewhat more systematic about how I
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