Welcome to the podcast Think Biblically, Conversations on Faith and Culture.

I'm your host Scott Ray, Dean of Faculty and Professor of Christian Ethics at Talbot School

of Theology here at Biola University.

We're here today with our special guest, New York Times,

award-winning author David French,

who's also has a background as an attorney.

He's a commentator for time today, and most recently senior editor of The Dispatch, which I really

encourage you to check out. We'll give you a web address for that as we go along.

He's also the author of a very provocative new book entitled

Divided We Fall, America's Secession Threat and how to restore our nation.

David, I have to tell you that this is the most insightful piece that I've read to date so far on the

polarization of our culture and our particular political culture. Oh wow. So and to honest, it also scared the daylights out of me in a couple of places too.

So welcome, really glad to have you with us on this.

Thank you for being with us.

No, thanks so much for having me. Now, you mentioned the book. Thank you

mentioned the book. There's a pretty significant personal journey

that motivated both the content and just the general writing of the book.

So give our listeners some context and tell us a little bit about that personal journey yeah so I

When I got out of law school I I dedicated much of my my legal practice to religious liberty free speech work and

and I did so pretty I did so consistently why I would protect people's free speech

rights whether they agreed with me or disagreed with me. Republican Democrat didn't matter.

But I was very much at that same time a pretty partisan Republican.

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