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welcome to the heart. I'm Caitlin Prest. A couple of years ago, Sharon had an idea for a show that was

going to be called Self-Hatred. It was about the ways that living in a world that is set up to

silence you or suppress you, that the marginalization that happens outside in the world ends up

happening inside in your own mind, and that the very understandable rage that would come from

being ignored or silenced or left out or placating other people's wants, needs, and ideas,

that rage instead of going outward goes inward to the Self. What does that do to your heart and mind?

And how do you work through it? This season is looking at some of those things.

It reflects the way that you work through your shit, going backwards and forwards in time,

remembering things suddenly and making new meaning out of experiences you thought you already

understood. This season, divesting from people pleasing, is a creation of Nicole Kelly.

She wanted to make something about the topic of shame and rage. This is the first episode of

three episodes. This is NK.

Three years ago, I met someone in a bar in Bushwick and she invited me to a workshop called

divesting from people pleasing. In divesting from people pleasing, we sit in a circle.

Most of the other women in the room are white. Like me, they're polite when it would make sense

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