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Hello, you're listening to Times Red Box Politics podcast,

maturely still away, so it's me, Patrick McGuire, in the hot seat for the rest of this week.

Today, we did this United Kingdom at 11, but you news from the four corners of the UK.

But first, it's time for our colourless puddle. Now, I'll ask Thompson this week,

so James Kirkup steps into the breach with Robert Krampton.

The columnist on Times Radio. Now, you've already heard one half of our

columnist panel in the studio this morning, Robert Krampton. Hi, Patrick. And,

joining us on the line, Alice Thompson is still away, so I'm joined by Times Columnist

and Director of the Social Market Foundation, James Kirkup. Morning, James.

Morning. No ideas on our politicians say, Robert? Yeah, I've got a thought, but it's not,

he's not really a politician as such. Does it have to be an elected politician?

Well, not necessarily an elected politician. Could it be like a trade union official, for instance?

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