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How does viewing climate as a zero-sum game, instead of as a problem requiring collective solutions distort our ability to act.

Climate One conversations feature all aspects of the climate emergency, the individual and the

systemic, the exciting and the scary, people who are in power and people who often don't have

access to power. I'm Greg Dalton.

In the United States, we become accustomed to climate,

like nearly everything else, being a partisan political issue, not in the UK. We still have a very

consensual approach to climate change. We don't have anything like the politicization of climate

change that you have in the US.S. or that you see in

Australia. Rebecca Willis is a professor at Lancaster University, an author of Too Hot to

Handle, the Democratic Challenge of Climate Change. We'll talk to her later in the show about how

the UK's climate consensus has endured across conservative and progressive governments.

Here in the United States, climate is just one of the many areas where a racially-tinged zero-sum mentality has distorted our ability to respond in ways that could benefit everyone.

When you can be divided and get easily manipulated into cheering the destruction of things that could be beneficial to part of the

American people. That's making life harder for everyone. Heather McGee is board chair of Color of Change,

the nation's largest online racial justice organization, an author of the book The Sum of Us,

What Racism Costs Everyone and How We Can

Prosper Together. Many Americans breathed easier following the conviction of police officer Derek

Chauvin for murdering George Floyd. I asked Heather about the connection between systemic racism,

climate disruption, and the freedom to breathe. Well, that's a powerful provocation, Greg.

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