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Pod Save the World

Dissident at the Doorstep Episode 8: The Shit In The Frame

Pod Save the World

Crooked Media

Politics, News

4.824.7K Ratings

🗓️ 24 February 2024

⏱️ 35 minutes

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Summary

Guangcheng has put his life on the line to stand up for noble causes and principles. He has also thrown his support behind Trump and, more recently, a range of intolerant ideas. There are so many things to admire about him, but there are others that are hard to excuse. We thought with this series that we could show how all these things could be true at once. But as we got closer to the end of the story, we learned just how hard that really is.

Transcript

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0:00.0

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0:06.9

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0:15.0

Dissidence are often associated with positive characteristics.

0:19.0

They're brave, self-sacrificing.

0:22.0

They're people who stand up for their ideals.

0:25.0

Less positive attributes might come with the territory, but they tend to fly under the radar.

0:31.0

In telling any story, it's helpful to make the hero consistent.

0:34.0

I think Guangchung understands this too.

0:37.0

We called him up last summer for a final conversation,

0:40.0

and he said something that stuck out.

0:43.0

It came up when he was talking about a disagreement he had

0:46.0

with his son's position on environmentalism and eating animals.

0:50.0

They say, oh, you should protect the environment, protect nature.

0:55.0

And I say, yes, certain things need our protection, like animals and plants.

1:01.0

But this is not absolute.

1:03.0

Guangchung then gave an example.

1:05.0

Imagine, he said, that you're drawing a picture of a farm.

1:09.0

You say the painting should reflect reality.

1:11.0

That's correct.

1:12.0

You paint a beautiful lawn with flowers on the edge and

1:15.3

green grass in the middle, right? But if a cow pooped on the lawn, do you need to paint

1:20.4

that too? I don't think so.

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