Welcome to the Chastown podcast, part of the Cavs Media family.

I'm your host, Justin Rowan.

The Chastown is presented by Fubo, the official streaming partner of the Cavs. Watch over 350 channels of live sports and TV, including Fan Dual Sports Network without cable. There's no cost and no commitment. Try for free at FubotTV.com slash Cavs. Since we last recorded, the Cavs split their games against the Orlando Magic and the Miami Heat.

Disappointing loss against the Heat just did not come to play in that one.

And joining me today to discuss that and to talk about their defense as of late.

My co-host, Carter Rodriguez.

Carter, how you doing, buddy?

I'm doing good.

I mean, I think we're definitely like, I feel like the season has a couple like things that you might define as dog days.

I think we're in the dog days of the end of the season, of Q4, so to speak.

We're deep in Q4 for sure.

And it just kind of feels like we're not going to get a great picture as to what the team is, you know?

Like they, I thought they played better against Orlando than Kenny seemed to.

Yeah.

For what it's worth. He was very frustrated.

I don't think his postgame comments about defense were based on one game.

But I thought they were fine against Orlando and, you know, obviously very, very bad for

three of the four quarters against Miami, you know, down a lot of guys and down some legs.

They just didn't look very sharp at all physically in that game.

And, you know, it's just this weird situation where right when you think the corner's

going to get turned and Jarrett's on his way back and hey we got

max back then you know jalen sprains his toe and dean gets hurt and warmups like that was

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