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Okay, this is Craig McConnell and Morgan and I are sitting here in front of some microphones talking and if you hear this it's because it turned into a podcast.

So, Morgan. Craig, good to see you buddy.

So we're going to just kind of update you on what's current with our lives and what's going on, right?

Yeah.

You want to start? I'll start. Go ahead. About your life. Oh.

Actually, we were just chatting before we stepped into the studio here,

just about what you've been thinking about these days,

or I should say wrestling about,

and you were talking about disruption

and what you do when God disrupts you and how that's very different now than how you

would have handled that 30 years ago or 15 years ago. I'd love to hear some more. What is disruption and

what's going on with you right now? Yeah, gosh I'm my story, Morgan, I think a turning point was when I went to a Larry Crabden

Alendor conference back in 1983, I went to learn how to be a better counselor.

I was pasturing a church and was doing a lot of counseling and loved, kind of helping people work

through their lives, problems, obstacles, struggles.

So I went to this thing thinking I learned how to be a great counselor.

And both Crabbe and Aleider spent about 40 hours instructing, teaching, kind of talking about things I had never heard before.

And it just totally changed my worldview, my paradigm for thinking and understanding and I begin to see that so much of my life has been committed to avoiding

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