Don't hold anything too tightly. Just wish for it, want it, let it come from the

intention of real truth for you, and then let it go. For me our soul is like it's

unbound, it's limitless, but we will use words to limit ourselves. When people

stop believing that somebody's got your back or Superman's coming we turn to

ourselves and that's where you become empowered. Courageous participation attracts

positive things. I'm Gwyneth Paltrow. This is the Goop podcast, bringing together

thought leaders, culture changers, creatives, founders and CEOs, scientists,

doctors, healers and seekers, here to start conversations because simply asking

questions and listening has the power to change the way we see the world. Today is

no exception. I'll let Elise fill you in on her extraordinary guest, and I'll come back

after their conversation to answer a question from one of you. If you have a question

you'd like me to get into in our next round of Ask Me Anything, send it to us at Goop on

Instagram or Facebook. All right, over to Elise. Robin DeAngelo is a lecturer on issues

of racial social justice. She's also the best-selling author of White Fragility, and if you haven't

read it yet, go get a copy as soon as you can. Today, Robin challenges us on what we think we know

about racism and what we may have been unconsciously ignoring about ourselves. There's a misunderstanding

that racism is individual and conscious, and because we don't perceive this correctly, we're

actually protecting systemic racism. Robin makes the argument that white progressives are actually

the most difficult for people of color, and that conversations about race are so difficult to have

because it creates so much defense in the average white person who wants to believe that we're well

past that. Robin reminds us that history is not an arc of continual progress as we're often taught

to see it. We still have a lot of hard but worthy work to do. Overall, our conversation begs the

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