My next guest, Gad Sad, who is the author of the best-selling book, Suicidal Empathy, this headline, Dying to Be Kind. That is so true. He is a scholar at the Declaration of Independence Center for the Study of American Freedom at the University of Mississippi. He has a lot of things to his CV, and he joins us now via video God it's a pleasure to have you thank you so much

for joining me and I not to say that I don't trust your judgment at all because you know obviously I do

but I had to do a double take of this story because this is exactly what you wrote about suicidal empathy

they go after the victim because she gave a simple statement that's supported by statistics.

Yeah, I first, thank you so much for having me, Dana. Look, I'm the author of suicidal empathy, and I couldn't believe the cases that I was documenting in the book. And I had the same reflex as you, each time that I would discuss a new case in my book,

I would double, triple, quadruple check

to make sure that it wasn't satirical

because it really defies reality.

I'll give you even a worse example

than the one that you mentioned,

although the one that you mentioned

is a perfect manifestation of suicide empathy.

A white woman, a white progressive woman, goes to Haiti because she wants to demonstrate that the

stereotype of black men ever committing violence is only something that you see in white supremacist

United States. So she goes to Haiti to prove that point. Well, then she's slapped by this thing

called reality where a Haitian man in Port-au-Prince takes her to a rooftop and rapes her all night.

At the end of which she concludes, and the reason we know that she concludes this is because

she writes a post-rape essay where she says the end result of the rape is that she's

thankful for the experience because it demonstrated that the Haitian man was only raping her

because of what he faced due to white supremacy.

So her body was a justified vehicle of the black man's hatred of white supremacy.

And he's in Haiti.

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