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Hey, this is Trey. Thank you for joining us for another Tuesdays with Trey. Our guest today,

you have heard me mention her name many times. She's been a guest on the television show.

Not that many people read either one of my books, but if you did read my book, you would have

seen her name there too. She's one of my favorite, I don't want to just say colleagues, she's one of

my favorite people. We sat on opposite sides of the aisle is what most people would tell you,

although I sat with her a lot because there are no assigned seats in Congress.

Tulsi Gabbart got into politics when she was really, really, really young. She's actually still

really, really, really young, but she got in at like an age when most of us weren't thinking about

politics has had an incredible career. But I want to talk to her about more than just politics.

If you listen to this podcast, you know I am fascinated by how people got where they are and why

they wanted to get there. So with that, Aloha, Tulsi Gabbart, right?

I am good, Tray Gowdy. It's good to talk to you. It's great to hear your voice.

I wish we got a chance to hang out more. I actually, there are very few things I miss about

Congress, but one of the few things that I miss is being able to go and sit on the house for

with you and talk story as we say in Hawaii. Or better yet, practice kind of amateur clinical

psychology and figure out how in the world can any human being think like that. But you were

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