Hello, welcome to the editor's desk.

This is the podcast where we take a closer look at the essays and articles in the latest print issue of First Things magazine.

I'm Rusty Reno on the editor of First Things magazine, and I'm here with you today at the editor's desk.

So welcome listeners to the podcast.

Today I've got Glenn Arbery with me, a professor of English and former president of Wyoming

Catholic College.

And we're going to talk about his March 26 essay, Lyric as Disclosure.

Welcome to the podcast, Klein. Thank you. Glad to be here. You lyric as disclosure. I guess let's talk

about disclosure first. What is disclosure? Well, it's, you know, this is a term that I really came

upon in Father Sokolowski's book, the introduction to phenomenology. And he distinguishes

between a truth of correctness, which is something that's more or less verbal, I suppose, and the truth of disclosure, which is something that is simply before you and that is obviously the case.

And I guess the term implies coming out of some kind of hiding, you know,

as though something has been obscure before and it comes into the light.

In the essay, I compare it to opening a gift, you know,

and something that's been hidden, into, into your presence with a kind

of force that it wouldn't have if it hadn't been hidden to start with.

Guess what?

2 plus 2 equals 4.

The truth of correctness.

666 as the mark of the beast is the truth of correctness.

666 as the mark of the beast is the truth of disclosure.

They're both statements about numbers.

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