Hey guys, welcome back to the Dad Tired podcast. If you want to watch or listen to this podcast in video form, you can do that by going to YouTube or to Spotify and you can watch the interview, not just listen to it. So that's an option for you if you want to do that as well. You're going to hear me say in this conversation a couple times how my guest is controversial. I'm trying to kind of branch out and have more in-depth,

harder conversations, not just in this conversation, but many of the conversations we've had

in the last few months and years, and for the ones to come. Like, I just want to have a lot of

conversations that challenge our thinking, that get us thinking outside the box.

You know, well, maybe we agree with everything.

Maybe we disagree with everything.

The point is that we're just having rich, meaningful conversations that really challenge

us and make sure that we're always landing on truth.

So anyway, as you hear me say that today, talking about, oh, this is controversial.

That's on purpose.

I want to have deeper,

richer conversations on this show. So just know that that's intentional part of what we're doing

here at Dad Tired as we're trying to grow to be the men that God's called us to be to think

well and to live righteously. Speaking of which, if you're brand new to Dad Tired and you're

just stumbling upon the podcast,

we are more than just a podcast.

We have all kinds of resources to help equip you as the spiritual leader of your home.

If you go to Dad Tired.com, you'll see we have hats and we have books for you as a man.

We have devotionals.

We have this brand new devotional cards that we just put out. So if you don't really know how to get your kids to talk about Jesus or how to have intentional conversations about Jesus with your kids,

if that feels awkward or clunky to you, you can pick up these dinnertime devotional cards

and read them around the dinner table or in car rides. It makes it very casual and easy.

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