Disaster is Not Our Destiny. Neither is Democracy.
Talk Easy with Sam Fragoso
Lemonada Media
4.8 • 1.2K Ratings
🗓️ 17 July 2022
⏱️ 74 minutes
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Summary
This week we’re joined by author and body healer, Resmaa Menakem. With the release of his new book, The Quaking of America, we discuss Black liberation (5:09), the ‘white-body supremacy’ of January 6th (7:41), the implications of America’s conservatism (20:08), why there’s a failure to communicate across the aisle (25:03), the pernicious paradigm that ‘white guilt’ creates (32:44), and what it will take for us to have an embodied, anti-racist culture (39:25).
On the back half, Resmaa explains a few of the body practices from his new book (47:26), how to prepare the nervous system for somatic abolitionism (52:32) and a potential Civil War (55:32). To close, ahead of the midterms, we unpack the blurred lines between Democrats and the GOP (1:01:06), the potential consequences of our conversation (1:03:34), and, ultimately, Resmaa’s hope for liberation (1:07:10).
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| 0:00.0 | Hey, this is Sam. If you enjoy our interviews with writers and artists on Talk Easy, |
| 0:04.7 | then I'd recommend checking out the podcast, Missing Pages. Hosted by acclaimed literary critic and author Beth Ann |
| 0:11.6 | Patrick, Missing Pages investigates the biggest hot button topics in the book |
| 0:16.2 | world today with the help of special guests like New York Times Best Selling Author |
| 0:21.2 | Jody Pekle and publisher weeklies Jim Miliet. |
| 0:24.8 | Produced by the People at the Podgolomerate, |
| 0:27.0 | Missing Pages explores everything from the Insta Frame of Colleen Hoover |
| 0:31.2 | to the rise of book bands across America to the lucrative culture of non-fiction |
| 0:36.3 | ghost writing. As both the Washington Post and The Guardian praise, missing pages is a must listen. So if you'd like to check it out you can follow |
| 0:44.8 | missing pages on Apple Podcast or wherever you like to listen. Pushkin. This is talk easy. I'm Sam Fric and healer Resma Menacum. |
| 1:34.3 | Menacum is a trauma specialist who works with people, |
| 1:38.1 | communities, and organizations to reckon with the historical and racialized trauma carried in the body. |
| 1:46.0 | He joined us on the show back in 2020 with his New York Times Best Seller, |
| 1:51.0 | My Grandmother's Hands. In that book, he unpacked how trauma is passed down through generations, and how the bodily forces that make us resilient can also encourage us to harm one another. But what does that harm |
| 2:06.3 | actually look like in 2022? How does it manifest itself in our day-to-day lives? |
| 2:13.0 | That question is at the heart of Resma's excellent new book, |
| 2:17.0 | The Quaking of America. |
| 2:19.0 | As you'll hear, this new piece of his came in response |
| 2:22.0 | to the capital riots of January 6th, |
| 2:25.3 | and as the Congressional Committee completes its seventh public hearing |
| 2:29.6 | investigating the attack, I thought it was time we returned to Resma. |
| 2:35.0 | In the first half of our discussion, we sit with all that January 6th resurfaced. |
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