The Welcome to the Good Faith Podcast, I'm your host Curtis Chang and the Good Faith Podcast is a production of

Redeeming Babel and it's where friends who follow Jesus help each other make

sense of the world and a topic getting attention in the world these days is the topic of

Christian nationalism. There's a lot of questions swirling around it. For instance, what exactly is a Christian nationalist?

That's the question theologians may debate about.

There's the question, how many Christian nationalists are there actually?

And it's the question, pollsters and maybe demographers may ask,

and people may be wondering,

are there even any in my neighborhood?

And then there's a question of what political impact

Christian nationalists might have in this upcoming election?

So lots of these questions, but what about this question?

How do you love a Christian nationalist?

After all, that's the question posed by the second greatest commandment of Jesus himself on Mark 1231, to love your neighbor as yourself.

So here's a question, what would it mean to love a Christian

nationalist as your neighbor? And today's guest is here to help us in a very unique way to help explore and answer that question.

And that's Pastor Caleb Campbell.

Caleb is the lead pastor of Desert Springs Bible Church, where he has served since 2015,

and he's the author of the book Disarming Leviathan, Loving your Christian Nationalist

neighbor.

Caleb, welcome to the Good Faith Podcast.

Yes, thank you, Curtis.

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