I'm Autumn Brown, a queer science fiction writer, a theologian, a mother of dragons, and a healing justice facilitator for social movements living in rural Minnesota. And I'm

Adri Marie Brown, a social justice facilitator, author of pleasure activism and

emergent strategy and Adula living in Detroit.

And this is how to survive the end of the world.

Our podcast about learning from apocalypse

with grace, rigor, and curiosity.

Our guest today is Leah Lakshmi Piappzna Samarisina,

who is an accomplished and brilliant and prolific writer who has put out many books

and most recently a collection of poems called body map and an incredible book called Care Work,

which is about how we need to orient, reorient our movements towards a disability justice framework and it's a guide for all of us.

So Autumn got to catch up with Leah and this interview I just want to give you the gift of a heads up.

Leah talks very quickly and none of it is wasted space.

So prepare yourself. You might want to have a notebook for some of the very real incredible examples

she gives that point a direction towards what a community of real care could look like. Enjoy.

I moved to Seattle three years ago.

I got my first not working for myself job in a decade and it was like yeah no and it was that this it was at one of the you know two or three

disability cultural centers in the United States

of universities where it's not alike we're gonna give you access

accommodations or maybe not centers but it's actually a you know cultural center

like a queer center would be for queer students as a place for

disabled. Wow. Yeah the D Center is great. The University of Washington sucks and I just

was also like I you know I lived in majority people of color cities my whole life and all of my friends

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