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This Is Why

Dirty Work: Episode Three - Life Sentence

This Is Why

Sky News

Daily News, News, News Commentary

4.0552 Ratings

🗓️ 5 August 2023

⏱️ 42 minutes

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Summary

In this episode, Sahar Zand goes back to speak to Brian Glendinning about his experience in Iraqi jail, and the harrowing impact of his unforeseen arrest. But Brian, compared to some people, is still lucky.

For dissidents and opposition figures around the world, the Red Notice is the latest tool for transnational repression by autocratic governments. These people often end up in prison indefinitely, or extradited to the countries they had long fled for safety.

With expert analysis from Rhys Davies and Ben Keith - authors of Red Notice Monitor - we take a look at the worst case scenarios for being on the wrong end of a Red Notice.

Sahar meets Zeynure and her three children. They are Uyghur exiles living in Istanbul. Zeynure’s husband, Idris Hasan, has been in prison in Morocco for two years facing extradition to China. Uyghur activists like Idris are increasingly at risk of Red Notices, experts tell us, as China has increased its use of Interpol as a tool of transnational repression. Sahar talks to Idris, who says this Red Notice has been a death sentence. A potential return to China is “worse than death.”

Plus, Alicia Kearns, the Conservative MP who chairs the UK Parliament’s Foreign Affairs Select Committee, tells Dirty Work about the committee’s “grave concerns” over how the system works. She calls on the Home Office to find a way to inform British nationals if they’re the subject of a malicious red notice.

WARNING: This episode contains strong language.

Presenter: Sahar Zand
Producer: Heidi Pett
Senior producer: Sarah Burke
Sound designer: James Bradshow
Editor: Paul Stanworth

Transcript

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0:00.0

It's the 19th of November 2022.

0:09.0

The Glendening family are waiting at Edinburgh Airport.

0:13.0

Brian is finally on his way back home from Iraq,

0:16.0

where he'd been imprisoned on an Interpol Red Notice.

0:20.0

We're at the end day, and I'm calling it the end days.

0:22.6

The location right now, we're in Edinburgh Airport,

0:24.6

and we're here because my brother, Brian Lundering,

0:27.6

should be touching on the runway as we speak.

0:31.6

And I'm not alone today.

0:32.6

I've not been alone all the way through this.

0:34.6

We've always been together, but I've been waiting for this day for ten weeks.

0:39.3

Ten weeks, say, not knowing.

0:40.6

Ten weeks, convincing everybody else it's going to be okay when inside you are falling apart as well.

0:45.3

So, just everybody's emotions, nervous, anxiety, but nervous anxiety in the good way.

0:52.5

Not nervous anxiety that Brian's going to guitar jail anymore.

0:55.7

Nervous anxiety that we're going to see someone we've longed to see for so long.

1:00.9

It feels a lot longer than 10 weeks.

1:02.4

Brian's wife Kimberly was able to speak to him briefly after he was released.

1:06.5

Just kind of wait to get home, to be honest, and get him home.

1:09.3

And just try and put this behind us really

1:12.3

and move on with our life

1:13.7

but he's just anxious about everything

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