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slash voxpod welcome to recode media with peter kofka that is me is a fun show. They're all fun shows, right?

Mostly fun shows. It's a fun show because I got to talk to Tom McCarthy, who's someone I like a lot.

He started off as an actor and then became an indie filmmaker. You should check out the station

agent. That's his first movie starring Peter Dinklage way before Game of Thrones. Then he won Academy Awards for Spotlight. And now he's got a new movie out, Stillwater, with Matt Damon. We talk about all of that. And what's sitting on a movie for a year during the pandemic didn't do for him and why you should see a smallish movie like this in a movie theater. There's no superheroes in it. It's still something you should see in a movie theater. We also talk about playing one of the most loath characters on TV

that was in The Wire. That character also happens to be a journalist. If you like The Wire,

this is also a good show for you. And also, just because I want to keep giving you guys a sense

of what's out there in the creator world, what it's like to be creator, what that word actually means, I had a brief chat with Kyla Scanlan, who does very interesting TikTok stuff involving finance.

She's accidentally found a career there.

I'm always interested in people who sort of accidentally become creators.

Those are pretty fascinating for me. If you were listening to this podcast, she may well be up your alley. So listen to

our conversation and go check her out. Okay, here is me with Tom McCarthy. I am talking to Tom

McCarthy. He's a writer, director, and actor. You have seen him or his work. There's no way to escape it. He's in the wire. He helped write up. He directed Spotlight. Got multiple Academy Awards for that. His most recent movie is called Stillwater. It stars Matt Damon, and you can see it in theaters, but only in theaters right now. Welcome, Tom. Thank you. Good to be here, Peter. I just saw

your movie in a screening room. I enjoyed it. I also enjoyed seeing a movie outside of my house. That was

great. And I would recommend it to anyone listening to this. But I want to hear how you would

describe it and recommend it to someone who's coming in with no knowledge about what this movie is.

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