From KCRW, I'm Kim Masters and this is The Business.

When Dan Reed set out to make a documentary about the pedophilia allegations that dogged Michael Jackson for years,

the project was supposed to be just one hour of television.

And then it was a two-hour film because we realized that we had something kind of quite big and complex on our hands.

And then cut to a year later, and I'm sending HBO a four and three-quarter-hour rough cut,

thinking, am I crazy?

What are they going to think of me?

Reid talks about the making of this unflinching four-hour film

and how despite a lawsuit from the Jackson estate, HBO is standing behind leaving Neverland.

But first on the news banter, did Fox TV executives lie and cheat?

An arbitrator says, yes, no bones about it.

Stay tuned, it's the business from KCRW.

I am joined by my wingman in banter, Matt Bellany of the Hollywood reporter.

Hello, Matt.

Hi there.

So let's talk about this Bones ruling, a $179 million award that an arbitrator gave to the stars and creator of the series Bones, which ran on Fox between 2005 and 2017, this arbitrator, he just gave Fox such a lashing.

He said these top executives at Fox, and I'll point out these people, two of the three that are named primarily, Peter Rice and Dana Walden,

are now situated at Disney, because they will have top jobs post-merger, that these executives

lied, cheated, and committed fraud at the expense of the stars and the executive producer of the show.

And this is a decision that could have major ripple effect.

Absolutely. I mean, I'm a former lawyer, and I used to practice in this area of profit

participation cases. I have never seen language like this from a judge or an arbitrator.

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