From KCRW and KCRW.com, I'm Kim Masters, and this is The Business.

I don't have the privilege of being, ah, I wanted to be a theatrical release.

Like, I'm just trying to, you know, keep making movies.

And that's what so many people who make films on the margins feel like.

Eva DuVernay's documentary 13th traces the history of racism and mass incarceration in America.

Because she made the film for Netflix, she had to forego seeing it on the big screen, and she's okay with that.

DuVernay tells us why, following her Oscar-nominated film, Selma, she turned down an offer from Marvel to make 13th. And how she managed to make the Oscar-nominated film Selma, she turned down an offer for Marvel to make 13th, and how she managed

to make the Oscar-nominated documentary while also overseeing Queen Sugar on the own network

and directing Disney's big budget a wrinkle in time. But first on the news banter, Viacom tries a reset,

and a couple of big agencies respond to Trump. Stick around. It's the business from KCRW.

I am joined by my fellow banterer, Matt Bellany, who has a fancy new title at The Hollywood Reporter.

Congratulations, Matt. You are now editorial director.

Yes, but I remain your editorial sidekick on the radio.

My faithful sidekick, thank you.

So, Viacom.

You know, I would say that Philippe Damon, the now ousted CEO and one point chairman of the Viacom,

which is the company that has Nickelodeon, Comedy

Central, BET, MTV, and of course Paramount Pictures. That guy was a one-man wrecking ball. He just

demolished that place. He took hundreds of millions of dollars over the course of his tenure.

And now this

company, it's such a weak condition with cable channels that aren't working and Paramount in

last place among the studios. And Bob Backish, who has been named his successor, he was a guy

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