From KCRW and KCRW.com, I'm Kim Masters, and this is the business.

They want you to shoot it like a feature, and they want it to be epic.

Although, I will say when I first went to do Game of Thrones, I thought, this is great.

I'm finally going to get all the shots I've ever wanted, and I'm going to have all the time I've ever wanted.

And then I realize, oh my gosh, it doesn't matter if you want a $200 million feature.

You're running for your life.

Yeah. It's the director's curse.

Michelle McLaren and Alex Graves have both worked as directors on HBO's Game of Thrones.

They talk about the pressures and rewards of executing this massive series.

Then, why the producer of a Joss Whedon movie might send you a cactus. But first on

the news banter, Kevin Riley, head of the Fox Broadcast Channel, out. Stay tuned. It's the business

from KCRW.

I'm joined by my partner in banter, Michael Schneider, of TV Guide magazine.

Hello, Michael.

Hey, Kim.

So, big news in the television world, Kevin Riley, quite popular amongst us, I'd say ink-stained, but I'll say virtually ink-stained, or etches, seemingly one of the more accessible, candid, network executives.

Yeah, yeah, one of the few who at least seems candid with us.

Right.

And he was let go.

This is something we were both in New York for the upfronts in the past couple, maybe two weeks ago.

And that was the talk I hardly need to tell you of the upfronts at every party you went to.

People were speculating about who would replace Kevin Riley, I think in part because there was a view that late in the game as the networks were about to

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