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The Hello and welcome to another episode of Politics Theory Other.

My name is Paris Marks and I'm filling in for Alex this week.

I host a podcast called Tech Won't Save Us and write the Disconnect newsletter if you want to follow my work.

My guest today is Cecilia Rickap.

We started by talking about the approach Kier-Starmer's labor government has taken toward tech policy

and how willing he's been to give major tech companies whatever they want.

It serves as an important example of how many countries have become dependent on U.S. tech monopolists,

and there are many drawbacks that have come with it. We discuss the concept of digital sovereignty

with a particular focus on how it's being conceived in Europe and Latin America. Finally, we explore

whether there's a way to break that dependence on U.S. tech, especially in the face of an open alliance between Donald

Trump and Silicon Valley. If you find this interview useful, then please do consider becoming

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Paul Theory Other to sign up. Cecilia Rickap is an associate professor in economics at

University College London and head of

research at the Institute for Innovation and Public Purpose. Her writing and commentary has appeared

in Le Monde, Phenomenal World, Open Democracy, and Nature, among other venues. Last year, she co-authored a

white paper called Reclaiming Digital Sovereignty, and she's writing a book on how cloud companies wield their power.

Cecilia, welcome to this special episode of Politics Theory Other, very excited to speak with you.

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