Hello there, I'm Chuck Todd and this is the Chuck Todd cast.

It's the threat we all know, the threat that always seems to be in the headlines and yet

somehow always seems off in the distance.

I'm talking about cybersecurity and why our digital footprint may be our biggest weakness,

joining me this week to discuss the dangers we face in a connected world.

Nicole Pearl Roth, she's a reporter at the New York Times covering digital espionage

and she's the author of a terrific new book.

This is how they tell me the world ends.

The cyber weapons arms race.

Nicole is also going to be part of this week's Meath Press reports when we focus on America's

cyber war so check that out on NBC News Now and peacock for that of course.

Plus later in the show President Biden is announcing the withdrawal of all forces from

Afghanistan by September 11th, the 20th anniversary of 9-11.

Talk to Congresswoman Barbara Lee, she was the lone vote against the authorization of

the use of force in the days after the September 11th attacks.

First Nicole, welcome to the podcast.

Thank you so much for having me check.

So before we get into the details, I want to highlight one line you wrote in your pro

log because it was how you wrote the line that to me makes this book so necessary.

So you talk about landing in the Keith, but you describe what happened to Ukrainians this

way. For five long years, they shelt Ukrainians with thousands of cyber attacks a day and

scanned the country's networks incessantly for signs of weakness.

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