Turn guest everybody. I always love getting new people on this show, but sometimes I have certain guests that they just they they've made an impact on me. They pop in my head sometimes. I'm just like, I wonder what they've been thinking about and working on lately.

This is this one did not disappoint.

Really good conversation. We even loosened up a little bit and had some really cathartic laughs and stuff as well. I know some of you at the last time I had her minute.

I have so much fun talking that I the last time people are like, but can you give us more information? You got it because we're just kind of having fun casual philosophical discussions as well. And this episode is a little bit like that as well.

So there's a lot of great info in this. You will learn a lot, but I would say this one's a little looser and a little more fun in a very good way.

So super good show. If you guys want to support this show, you can support me on patreon.com slash Shane Moss. That's how I'm able to do this show. Add free. I have group meetups on there. I have a discord that you can join. Don't worry if you don't know what a discord.

It is, but it's basically like a troll free social media thing where you can choose your own adventure and hear more about like science or nature or movies or music and everything's broken down into categories so you can pick specifically what you're into.

Just build in the little community and it's fun. A lot of a lot of smart folks. I'd say a range between 30 and 50 people tend to float around my age or a few years, a few years younger than me, probably is average to give you an idea. All are welcome, of course.

And yeah, that's how I'm able to do this without without pedaling weird.

Fads that are meant to be some super vitamin that'll guarantee that you lose this and that weight and I get to have whatever guests on to kind of cut through some of that nonsense one time or once in a while.

And and have I think is just a kind of a more accurate take on some of the stuff that we get sold all the time.

So this is a super fun episode for me. I hope you enjoy it. You guys are awesome. Enjoy the show.

We're supposed to make sense of it all. It's immensely bizarre. Here we are.

Hello and welcome to the here we are podcast today. I have a return guest. You know, I don't have a turn guest that often and when I do it means that I like them quite a bit because I like getting a diverse sampling of all sorts of random stuff from all over the world, mostly in the US, of course.

And I what I love about the way that I book this show is that historically I was touring and I was frantically just looking for any guests anywhere I could go and getting a wonderful random sampling of various academics and meeting people that I liked along the way.

Because it's it's really easy to have kind of biases and then look to validate those biases and look for certain interests and because I was just frantically flying by the seat of my pants all of the time, booking two guests in every city that I was in.

And I met all these random people. Herman Ponser is my guest today. It's his third or fourth time back.

I wax a lot of it out as well. I don't remember exactly. Fantastic guest. He did stand up science in 2019 when I was doing that before COVID shut everything down.

I came on the podcast to we did it in person in his office and I had him back last year during COVID when he had his new book come out burn the new research.

Is it the same subtitle as it was in the past?

Yes, the research was to lit off how we really burn calories lose weight and stay healthy. I just saw an alternative subtitle somewhere.

There are a lot more chill in the UK, a lot more understated. The British version is the misunderstood science of metabolism.

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