Welcome back to the Ten Blocks podcast.

This is John Tierney, a contributing editor to City Journal.

And joining me today is Gary Taubbs, who is an investigative science and health journalist.

And he has been a great voice for challenging conventional wisdom for decades now.

He's one of the most admired science writers in the country.

He's the,. His latest book

is Rethinking Diabetes. But before that, his background is he wrote about good calories,

bad calories, about the low carbohydrate diet. That was published as the Diet Delusion in the United

Kingdom. That was back in 2007.

In 2011, he wrote, why we get fat and what to do about it.

And then the case against sugar in 2016.

Now his latest book, it's a remarkable book, and that it just challenges that, you know, half a century's worth or a century, perhaps,

of thinking about diabetes.

Well, I should also mention that Gary is, he's the, I think the first journalist to win

the National Association of Science Writers, Science and Society Journalism Award.

He's won it three times. And he's written for, you know, for the leading magazines in the country, the New York Times Magazine, in addition to these really massively research books and really smart books too. So today we're talking about rethinking diabetes, what science reveals about diet, insulin,

and successful treatments.

And so, Gary, do you want to just tell me, you know, briefly what got you into this and what

the book's about?

Okay.

Well, I got into this because I've always been, you know, all my work going back to the 80s has been

about good science and bad science and how easy it is to make mistakes in science and

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