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True Murder, with your host, journalist and author, Dan Zupansky.

Good evening, this is your host, Dan Zupansi, for the program True Murder, the most shocking

killers in true crime history and the authors that have written about them.

Today's program is with author, Dawn Lasseter, and his book, Die For Me.

The terrifying true story of the Charles Ng, Leonard Lake, Torture Murders.

Inspired by a fictional book called The Collector, X-Marines, Leonard Lake, and Charles Ng

abducted, tortured, and murdered women in a secret homemade dungeon.

All the while videotaping their gaffly deeds, they took the lives of at least 16 victims

and are among the most notorious serial killer teams in true crime history.

Die For Me, the terrifying true story of the Charles Ng, Leonard Lake, Torture Murders,

by Dawn Lasseter. My guest Dawn Lasseter is now working on his 19th

and 20th books. One was about World War II, one about the Kennedy assassination,

and one called the Patricia Cornwell Companion. All the rest of the true crime,

his first book was published in 1995. Welcome to the program and thank you for

agreeing to see the interview, Dawn Lasseter. Thank you for inviting me, Dan,

but looking forward to talking about Charles Ng. Yes, very much. This is quite

the story, an incredible story. Now, the first question I have to ask you,

if you've written about many other cases, what specifically made you decide

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