Did WSU Miss the Bryan Kohberger Red Flags? Ret FBI Robin Dreeke Explains
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🗓️ 24 November 2025
⏱️ 25 minutes
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Summary
This isn’t about blaming people who didn’t have a crystal ball. This is about understanding what behavioral red flags actually are. Before a single crime is committed, before there’s a police report, before anyone can articulate what’s wrong — humans pick up patterns. They feel unsafe. They sense boundary-violating behavior. They feel instincts firing long before the conscious mind can put language to it. And that’s not “overreacting.” It’s evolution.
WSU had multiple complaints, private warnings between women, faculty concerns, documentation, meetings, and a mandatory behavioral intervention. Yet the university treated it all like an HR issue instead of a threat-assessment problem. Tonight, Robin breaks down why that distinction matters — and how institutions all over the country make this same mistake.
We explore why academia is uniquely vulnerable to minimizing threat indicators, why “but he’s never been violent” is a meaningless metric when evaluating patterned behavior, and why institutions often freeze instead of act. Stacy brings in insights from The Gift of Fear, examining the neuroscience behind the “gut feeling” that so many women reported.
And then we tackle the paradox: how do you protect a community when the person at the center hasn’t committed a crime? Where’s the line between rights and risk? And what should universities be trained to recognize that they currently aren’t?
This is one of the most important conversations we’ve had — not about predicting crime, but about seeing what institutions are terrified to acknowledge.
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| 0:00.0 | This is Hidden Killers Live with Tony Brewski, Stacey Cole, and Todd Michaels. |
| 0:09.4 | The Gonzalves family is filing a lawsuit against WSU. |
| 0:15.5 | That's the university that Brian Koberger was a teaching assistant at, |
| 0:19.7 | not the school at which their children were |
| 0:23.1 | attending or their daughter was attending, but certainly part of the ecosystem of the story of |
| 0:29.5 | Brian Koberger. Today we're going to be tackling the thing everyone tiptoes around. |
| 0:34.1 | The difference between a person who's simply socially odd and a person who is |
| 0:40.4 | showing red flags that point towards potential danger. Washington State University had dozens |
| 0:46.0 | of complaints against Brian Coburger, women who felt physically uncomfortable, faculty who documented |
| 0:52.6 | behavioral issues, a department that held mandatory meetings |
| 0:56.0 | because of one student, one teaching assistant. And at the same time, a man with no criminal history, |
| 1:03.1 | no documented violence, no official reason to remove him really from anything. This is where |
| 1:08.4 | psychology, pattern recognition, civil liberties, and institutional |
| 1:12.5 | failure all collide. And nobody breaks down that collision like Robin Drake. Who's going to help us |
| 1:19.8 | get into this conversation and help dissect what exactly it is we're looking at when we hear |
| 1:26.8 | about the Gonzalez's decision to sue the school. |
| 1:31.8 | They're not saying that the school would have prevented the murders. |
| 1:36.2 | What they're saying is they have an obligation when you have enough complaints to do something |
| 1:42.3 | a little more proactively than they did because they did eventually |
| 1:46.2 | fire him. But it did take a lot of checking boxes and a lot of meetings and a lot of this and a |
| 1:51.9 | lot of that before anything actually took place. Robin, when you look at the specific behaviors |
| 1:57.3 | reported the intense staring, blocking doorways, hovering near women's offices. |
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