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Lauren Egan, Jonathan Cohn. I didn't list them in any order based on my appreciation for them.

Yes, you did.

Reverse appreciation for them. We're going to be talking about Democrats, specifically.

What we think are three distinct ways that the parties decided to take on Donald Trump.

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Subscribe to the feed. Thank you very much. All right. Jonathan, I'm going to start with you because you wrote the piece over the weekend. Your basic, the premise of your piece was that there's

two models that Michigan Democrats specifically are playing. We're going to get to another Midwestern politician in a second. But there's two models that Michigan Democrats specifically are employing. We're going to get to another

Midwestern politician in a second. But there's two models that Democrats are employing when it comes

to, or deploy, I should say, when it comes to Donald Trump. There's the Gresh and Whitmer model,

and then there's Alyssa Slotkin model. And very briefly, as briefly as Cohn can get,

you've been looking at the reader comment.

I've edited you for several years prior to you coming to the bulwarks.

I know.

But how do you describe those models?

The Whitmer model as it has emerged.

Because, you know, everyone remembers Gretchen Whitmer from the fight like hell by PAC. Yeah. I was fighting with, you know, Trump and COVID. You know, after Trump got elected, her model was, look, he's the president. We, the state of Michigan, depend on working with the federal government. So I'm going to work with the federal government. And her model has been, you know, she's been to Washington a number of times.

She's lobbied him directly on matters that she thinks are important.

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