Did We Disappoint the Ancestors? | MiniPod
Native Land Pod
iHeartPodcasts and Reasoned Choice
4.8 • 3.5K Ratings
🗓️ 15 May 2026
⏱️ 28 minutes
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Summary
On the main show this week, the hosts had a wide and deep conversation touching on MLK's "burning house," the double-edged sword of integration, and whether the answer to all the chaos of recent years is to stay and fight or build something new. On this week’s MiniPod, Angela and Andrew continue the conversation about what comes next.
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| 0:00.0 | This is an IHeart podcast. |
| 0:02.6 | Guaranteed Human. Native Lamb Pod is a production of IHeart Radio in partnership with Reason Choice Media. Welcome, welcome, welcome, welcome, welcome, welcome, welcome. Welcome home, y'all. This is our mini pod. Our good brother and friend, Bacari, had to make his way to the courthouse. He couldn't get a court date change. We're going to bail him out. We'll bell him out later. And we're like to |
| 0:22.8 | Jess. |
| 0:23.5 | Fortunately, he ain't |
| 0:24.4 | go to jail for civil disobedience right now. He's helping out a client. But I get to have this conversation. I love my one-on-ones with my brother, Andrew Gillum. He is one of my favorite former elected officials, an incredible, incredible political strategist. |
| 0:39.2 | He's organized so many people over the years, and we were having, you know, really this deep dive conversation in our main show about, you know, nation building and the structure of the house that remains, if any, remains in this country. |
| 0:52.6 | And then what we should be building an alternative. |
| 0:54.8 | And by we, I mean, black folks first doesn't mean that allies can't come along. |
| 0:58.9 | But I am thinking about self-preservation in the communal and cultural sense in this moment. |
| 1:04.6 | And so, AG. |
| 1:06.9 | Also because we're the ones really being targeted and just swiped out. |
| 1:13.5 | I mean, just taking out. |
| 1:14.8 | Yeah. |
| 1:15.4 | And so we have to think about what is needed for the present, what's needed for future generations, what's needed so our ancestors will be proud. |
| 1:23.9 | And I can't tell you the number of days I wake up. And I'm like, are we like disappointing y'all? |
| 1:29.3 | you know, I got Harriet, look, you know, I got my hair. |
| 1:31.2 | I'm like, Harriet, is you mad at us or no? |
| 1:34.3 | I'm sorry, I don't know what. |
| 1:35.7 | I'm like, is this our fault? |
| 1:36.8 | I literally was in a session with my therapist yesterday. |
| 1:39.1 | And I said, Dr. Tain, I really am asking, like, are they disappointed in us? |
| 1:44.5 | And I really asked myself, like, what could we have done differently? And I don, Dr. Tame, I really am asking, like, are they disappointed in us? |
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