Did the swamp drain Elon Musk?
Americano
The Spectator
4 • 714 Ratings
🗓️ 6 June 2025
⏱️ 23 minutes
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Summary
Billionaire Elon Musk and US President Donald Trump have had a very public falling out. Musk, whose time running the Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) came to an end last month, publicly criticised Trump’s spending bill (the ‘One Big Beautiful Bill Act’). The row then erupted onto social media with Trump expressing his disappointment with Musk, Musk accusing Trump of ‘ingratitude’ – and even making insinuations about Trump’s relationship with Jeffrey Epstein. Tesla’s stock has taken a hit, Trump and Musk are yet to speak and there could be implications for the government contracts that Musk’s companies have, but the full consequences are yet to be understood.
What do this tell us about Trump 2.0, and American politics more generally? Freddy Gray and Kate Andrews discuss.
Produced by Patrick Gibbons and Megan McElroy.
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| 0:24.8 | Thank you. to spectator.co.uk forward slash voucher. Hello and welcome to the Americano podcast, a series of discussions about American politics, power and prejudices. |
| 0:36.0 | It is 2025 and Donald Trump is president once again of the United States. |
| 0:42.7 | We will, of course, be following the moves of the Donald and his second administration very closely. |
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| 1:13.9 | Hello and welcome back to the Americano show. |
| 1:18.0 | Today we are going to be talking about the big news of the day, which is Donald Trump's bust up with Elon Musk. |
| 1:26.1 | His very public, very social-mediatized, bust up with Elon Musk, his very public, very social-mediatized, bust up with Elon Musk, |
| 1:31.6 | the world's richest man. And the latest Kate Andrews, the spectator's US deputy editor, |
| 1:39.0 | who is in New York at the moment, is apparently that there might be some kind of rapprochement. |
| 1:44.1 | Having fallen out so badly in the last 24 hours, Donald. at the moment is apparently that there might be some kind of reprosch more. |
| 1:50.2 | Having fallen out so badly in the last 24 hours, Donald Trump and Elon Musk might be about to have a phone call and things might all be okay again. |
| 1:54.4 | There are rumors of a phone call. |
| 1:56.6 | There are rumors of the opportunity to hug and make up, although I think it was suggested by |
| 2:02.8 | Trump's team this morning that he's not quite in the mood to speak to Elon, although he thinks |
| 2:06.9 | Elon might be in the mood to speak to him. This ultimately sounds like a couple who might |
| 2:12.8 | genuinely still have feelings for each other, although those feelings have turned incredibly |
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