Did the Father Forsake the Son on the Cross? (HP+ Vault)
Curiously Kaitlyn
Phil Vischer
4.9 • 865 Ratings
🗓️ 30 December 2025
⏱️ 40 minutes
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Summary
Jesus cries out, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?" How can the Father forsake the Son if they're the same person in the Trinity? Was the Trinity severed? Kaitlyn has thoughts on this important theological debate—and reveals how this debate is part of why she became a theologian!
0:00 - Intro
0:37 - Theme Song
1:20 - Show Starts
2:40 - Kaitlyn's Origin Story
12:50 - Penal Substitutionary Atonement
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21:18 - Relational, Trinitarian God
32:10 - The Father Grieving the Son
39:37 - Outro Song
Resources:
Forsaken: The Trinity on the Cross, and Why it Matters by Thomas H. McCall: https://a.co/d/1PvcWvZ
Delighting in the Trinity: An Introduction to the Christian Faith by Michael Reeves: https://a.co/d/ikSTCLB
The Crucified God by Jürgen Moltmann: https://a.co/d/9LVdAw3
Transcript
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| 0:00.0 | Hi, friends. Before we jump in, a quick note, since it's Christmas week, we're taking a short pause on new episodes, but we didn't want to leave you without something thoughtful to listen to. |
| 0:09.1 | Today, we're sharing a getting schooled episode that asks a big and often misunderstood question. |
| 0:14.6 | Did the father forsake the sun on the cross? |
| 0:17.8 | If you like the episode, you can sign up for Holy Post Plus and get access to the |
| 0:21.2 | whole library of getting schooled episodes, along with all other bonus content like the Skypod, |
| 0:26.3 | advice-ish, bonus interviews, and more. Use code curious to get 30% off your subscription. I hope you all |
| 0:33.4 | have a happy new year and we'll be back with a new episode next week. She's got a tiny diploma, loves the church and loves the Lord, |
| 0:42.0 | and have we ever mentioned her theology award? |
| 0:46.0 | She started out at Dallas, now Duke is where she's at, |
| 0:50.1 | but ask about Duke basketball, and she'll say, what is that? |
| 0:54.0 | She loves the books upon her shelves and babies in her church. |
| 0:58.0 | And if you want a better teacher, boy, you'll have to search. |
| 1:02.0 | So grab a pencil, listen up, you can pass the test. |
| 1:06.0 | It's time again for getting schooled by Caitlin Schatz. |
| 1:10.0 | It's time again for getting schooled by Caitlin Schatz. It's time again for getting schooled by Caitlin Schatz. |
| 1:14.0 | Caitlin Chess. |
| 1:14.9 | Caitlin Chess. |
| 1:16.0 | Caitlin Chess. |
| 1:17.0 | Caitlin Chess. |
| 1:21.0 | All right, kids, take your seats. |
| 1:24.9 | Class is in session. |
| 1:26.2 | I'm Sky Jitani. |
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