Ladies and gentlemen, one of the arguments that Christians have been using for millennia now

to show that the New Testament writers and apostles were actually telling the truth is that

these people who were in a position to know whether Jesus had risen from the dead or not

gave their lives for saying that Jesus rose from the dead.

But did they really?

You know, there's something out there that's been out for centuries called Fox's Book of Martyrs.

And essentially it says that most, maybe 11 out of the 12

gave their lives. 11 out of the 12 apostles gave their lives for Christianity. They could have

recanted. They could have said it never happened, but they actually paid with their lives. Is that

really true? And if we're going to say that martyrdom

somehow shows that Christianity is true, don't we have to say that martyrdom might show that

Islam is true? Because there are certainly martyrs in Islam. Well, my friend Dr. Sean McDowell

actually decided that he was going to investigate this for himself in his own doctrinal dissertation.

This goes back about 10 years ago, but he since updated that and has some new insights into what he

found. So here he is, ladies and gentlemen, the great Dr. Sean McDowell all the way from Biola University and the left coast.

Sean, how are you? Good to be with you, man. I'm doing great, Frank. Now tell me, remind our audience, because we did a show on this, Sean, it had to be 2015, 16, 17, something like that.

That's right. Why you decided to actually do this? Why did you

decide to look into the fate of the apostles? That's the name of the book, by the way.

So in 2010, I started my doctoral program. And when you do that, you start thinking about looking

for a topic. So it was in the back of my mind and we were at Berkeley

with about 25 or 30 high school students and we would bring in unitarian...

You see berserkly. Exactly. We bring in unitarian reverence and LGBTQ advocates and atheists

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