Did Taylor Get Ophelia Wrong? Kennedy Weighs In + Ilya Shapiro vs. NYU

Citizen McCain with Meghan McCain

Citizen Cain Productions

News, News Commentary, Society & Culture

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🗓️ 7 October 2025

⏱️ 71 minutes

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Meghan and Miranda welcome their old friend Kennedy (Fox News host, Kennedy Saves the World) for a spirited culture-and-politics rundown. They dive into Taylor Swift’s new album and why it feels more “product” than “poetry,” the Ophelia/Hamlet debate, the fan backlash over endless versions, and the Charli XCX dust-up (plus Sabrina Carpenter cameos, Lana/George Michael echoes, and more). They also hit Bad Bunny’s 'SNL' moment and Super Bowl chatter, the Riyadh Comedy Festival controversy (free speech vs. Saudi human-rights reality), and anxieties about NYC’s political direction. Then Ilya Shapiro (Manhattan Institute; author of 'Lawless: The Miseducation of America’s Elites') joins to discuss his NYU talk being canceled... and then uncanceled. The attack of free speech on campus, antisemitism since October 7th, and which universities are actually handling protests and policy enforcement like adults. Subscribe on YouTube: @CitizenMcCainYouTube | IG: @CitizenMcCain | TikTok: @citizen.mccain

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0:00.0	Megan McCain has entered the chat.
0:07.0	Megan McCain has entered the chat. Hello and welcome to Citizen McCain.
0:33.7	Thank you for joining us.
0:34.8	As a reminder, please raise your digital hand if you want to ask us a question. And if you're listening to the podcast and you want to join us on Zoom, you can register to do that at 2way.tv slash Megan. And if you've not subscribed to our YouTube channel yet, please do. YouTube.com slash at Citizen McCain, YouTube. Today we are so excited. Marianne and I are so excited, we're going to have my old friend Kennedy. One name doesn't really need an introduction, but she's a Fox News host of a podcast
0:59.6	called Kennedy Saves the World and author of the Kennedy Chronicles. She's a big host,
1:03.4	longtime friend and former VJ. Oh, she's here. Okay. And we used to work at KFI together.
1:09.5	Yes, you used to work at KFI together, like a million years ago. Yes.
1:11.6	Kennedy, thank you so much for making time to come on.
1:14.5	We're so happy you weren't preempted by outnumbered or all the other Fox shows you're on and host and everything and all your jobs.
1:21.9	Thank you so much for coming on and joining us.
1:23.9	I'm so happy to be here.
1:25.7	I watch all of your podcasting all the time, and you are
1:29.8	amazing. And I love the way you talk about things, and you make people truly smile that
1:36.8	others from the outside looking and would assume you disagree with. And I have a great
1:40.9	appreciation for that. One thing that people should know about you, Kennedy, is of all the women in all the industry,
1:47.2	Kennedy is the most supportive of up-and-coming talent anywhere.
1:51.2	At Fox, elsewhere, you really support other women.
1:54.3	You really give good advice and help shepherd people through the complicated and sometimes perilous industry
1:59.9	that we all all for whatever reason
2:01.1	have decided to make our living in. And I just think people should know that about you.
2:05.2	That you're a woman who really supports other women. And that's unfortunately not always the
2:09.3	case in the media industry. So thank you for always being such a friend and mentor to me as well.
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