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Stay Tuned with Preet

Did Mueller Miss the Mark? (with Jeffrey Toobin)

Stay Tuned with Preet

Vox Media Podcast Network

Society & Culture, Politics, Government, News

4.832.3K Ratings

🗓️ 6 August 2020

⏱️ 75 minutes

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Summary

On this week’s episode of Stay Tuned with Preet, “Did Mueller Miss the Mark?” Preet answers listener questions about the possibility of future Trump pardons, the strategy behind effective questioning of congressional witnesses, and how much influence Preet has at the top of the government. Then, The New Yorker journalist Jeffrey Toobin joins Preet for a conversation about his new book, “True Crimes and Misdemeanors: The Investigation of Donald Trump.” Toobin discusses the behind-the-scenes moments from the Mueller probe and impeachment, key figures from the investigations, and whether Chief Justice John Roberts is experiencing a jurisprudential shift to the left. For show notes and a transcript of the episode, head to: https://cafe.com/stay-tuned/did-mueller-miss-the-mark-with-jeffrey-toobin/ To listen to Stay Tuned bonus content, become a member of CAFE Insider at: CAFE.com/Insider Sign up to receive the CAFE Brief, a weekly newsletter featuring analysis of politically charged legal news, updates from Preet, and analysis from Elie Honig, at: CAFE.com/brief And if you haven’t already, listen to a sample from this week’s episode of the CAFE Insider podcast for free at CAFE.com or in the Stay Tuned feed. As always, tweet your questions to @PreetBharara with hashtag #askpreet, email us at [email protected], or call 669-247-7338 to leave a voicemail. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

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Slack.com slash DHQ. From Cafe,

0:56.9

welcome to stay tuned. I'm Priperara. Mueller has been criticized endlessly by Trump

1:03.9

and Trump's allies for his excessive zeal. But the problem with the investigation was

1:09.0

insufficient zeal. That he tied himself in knots to figure out a way not to say what

1:16.2

his report led I think any reasonable reader to conclude, which was that Trump committed

1:21.8

the crime of obstruction of justice. That's Jeffrey Tuben. He's the author of the

1:28.3

new book True Crimes and Misdemeanors, The Investigation of Donald Trump. It's a gripping

1:33.4

and detailed account of the Mueller investigation and impeachment. Tuben is a staff writer at

1:37.9

the New Yorker, the chief legal analyst at CNN, and the author of seven other books about

1:42.4

law, politics, and American history. Jeff last joined me for a live show in October

1:47.1

2018, when his new book was already in the works. Today we catch up on all that's transpired

1:52.2

since then, from the shortcomings of the Mueller probe and Bill Barr's web of controversies

1:56.7

to the surprising decisions of Chief Justice John Roberts. That's coming up. Stay tuned.

2:02.9

Let's get to your questions. This question comes in an email

2:17.0

from Alex Lewin from California. Hi, Pete. A follow up question to your response on your

2:22.2

730 podcast about whether and when the president could pardon Galein Maxwell. You mentioned

2:27.9

the calling possibility that he could grant your clemency before she's convicted. Could

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