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KERA's Think

Did life start more than once?

KERA's Think

KERA

Society & Culture, 071003, Kera, Think, Krysboyd

4.8861 Ratings

🗓️ 6 November 2025

⏱️ 47 minutes

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Summary

The way life emerged on Earth is being reconsidered – but not without some disagreement. Journalist Asher Elbein joins host Krys Boyd to discuss how one discovery in Africa is having scientists radically rethinking when life emerged, what it means that this life existed in the harshest of conditions and why it’s dividing the scientific community. His article “Life’s Big Bangs” was published in Scientific American.

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The broadest outlines of life's emergence on Earth are fairly simple,

0:13.8

from organic molecules to single-celled organisms to more complex ones that eventually led to us and every other living thing on the planet.

0:22.7

But here is a mind-blowing idea.

0:25.5

Maybe multicellular life forms arose far earlier than anybody thought and died out completely,

0:32.4

only to have more complex life emerge again hundreds of millions of years later.

0:38.5

From KERA in Dallas, this is Think.

0:41.0

I'm Chris Boyd.

0:42.4

A geochemist studying some uniquely preserved sediments in Gabon believes he's found the remains

0:47.5

of species that thrived in conditions that would pretty much kill anything that lives

0:51.5

on Earth today.

0:53.0

That hypothesis could radically change the

0:55.1

way we understand biological history. But as my guest has learned, skeptics aren't even convinced

1:00.7

the specimens are definitely fossils. Osher Elbein is a science and culture journalist. His article

1:06.5

for Scientific American is titled Life's Big Bangs. Asher, welcome back to think.

1:12.5

Thank you so much for having me.

1:13.9

Will you start, I don't want to take the whole hour with this, but will you walk us through

1:17.3

the kind of standard story of how complex life is believed to have emerged on Earth?

1:22.8

Of course.

1:23.5

So the basic story, as it has evolved over time, is that we believe that when we talk

1:31.9

about complex life, we're talking about generally eukaryotic life, which is organisms with the

1:37.5

kinds of cells that everything from seaweed to us has. And it was generally thought that that

1:42.1

originated probably around once, around 1.6 billion years ago,

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