from K-QED.

Olivia Ellen Price here and you're tuned in to Bay Curious.

If you've been listening to the show for a few years now, you probably know that I love a good ghost story.

While this podcast usually lives in the world of cold hard facts and data and proof and evidence once a year we like to slip into

the unknown and bask in uncertainty. I love ghost stories because they challenge us to suspend disbelief, to not ask too many questions, to let the story take us.

But what if you're someone who can't do that?

And the ghost story happens to you.

How can you square the inexplicable against the reality

that you know and trust and have built over a lifetime, brick by brick.

That's what reporter John Brooks has been grappling with.

Today on the show, we're going to hear John's ghost story and ride shotgun as he tries to make sense of it all.

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John Brooks is a former science editor at KQED and a recent personal tragedy has

prompted him to run this story from his past over and over again in his mind.

And just a warning, this story does involve some intense discussion of death.

I have a ghost story. I mean a real one. It's something I thought about for 27 years and I still don't know what to make of it. Many people

listening will write this off as ridiculous, in name, whatever.

All I can say is what happened definitely had an effect on me and it had a profound effect on a friend of mine.

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