Hello, hello. I'm Brittany Luce and you're listening to It's Been a Minute from NPR, a show about what's going on in culture and why it doesn't happen by accident.

Okay, y'all, this week, we are all going to be connecting the dots between the DOJ, a

McDouble, and your civil rights.

I know, I know.

How are all of these things connected?

Well, we are going to find out with Columbia Law Professor Al-Atoon-Day Johnson and Pulitzer

Prize winning journalist Wesley

Lowry. Welcome to It's Been a Minute. Thank you. Thank you for having us. It's been a minute.

You know what? Wesleyan has been a minute. But I'm happy to have you on this show. If you could start a

podcast with any civil rights hero, who would it be and why? Oh, there are so many, Pauly Murray, Bayard

Rustin. I might pick Ted Shaw, who a lot of people don't know about, but who headed the NWACP

Legal Defense Fund for a long time and is a professor at UNC. He is so wise. So I would want to hear from him. I love that. I love

that. Wesley, what about you? That is an excellent question. I think my answer to this is the Reverend

James Lawson because he trained so many of the activists when they themselves were younger. And I feel like he would have some pretty good

behind the scenes stories about everybody else, which would then make for a pretty juicy podcast.

That is a pretty good one. Those are both excellent choices, but I got to say, I'll say

regardless of whoever you would have as your co-host, I'm sure y'all would have a lot to cover on your show after the past couple of weeks,

so let's get into it.

Mr. President, you have today blamed the diversity element.

That tape is of the president's press briefing this week after the tragic plane crash in D.C.

It's all underinvestigation.

I understand that.

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