I'm made it up in my heart, in my mind, my soul, in my blood, in the oxygen running through

my body. But I wanted to kill my mother. Her mother loved her apparently more than anything. Her

mother highly educated a matriarch and social standing in her community. Somehow ends up dead, not just

dead, but butchered and folded up and stuffed in a suitcase. How did that happen? I'm Nancy Grace.

This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us. We're talking about none other than infamous

Heather Mack. Let's start at the beginning with me. Paul Chainberg's Crime Stories Investigative

Reporter, Karen Stark, renowned New York psychologist, and joining me as the director of the

Cold Case Research Institute, Cheryl McCullum. Paul, I want to start with not necessarily how mommy

ends up dead folded over into a suitcase, but the upbringing of Heather Mack. What do we know about

her upbringing, the daughter? Nancy, she is the daughter of Sheila Von Weiss Mack and James Mack,

who is a jazz composer. James Mack died in 2006 during a family vacation in Greece. He left his wife

quite a bit of money. Their relationship since the death of her father had been strained. This

whole trip to Bali where the murder occurred was so that the mother and daughter could become a

little bit closer to sort of ease that strain in the relationship. That apparently... The strain

and the relationship. That's certainly putting perfume on the pig. Cheryl McCullum, Cold Case

Institute director. This mother gave her every single thing you could give a child. She gave her love,

she gave her the best education she possibly could, a beautiful home. In fact, the mother's friends begged

her don't take Heather to Bali. Don't do it. Don't spend the money for a five-star resort,

but she wanted so desperately to be close to her daughter that she did it anyway. Even though

her best friend said don't do it. Look at Heather Mack's upbringing. Cheryl, what do you see?

Nancy, the most startling thing to me is the police had responded to the family home after her father's

death 80 times for domestic violence and other issues. This child, Heather, clearly had some

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