You're listening to the CyberWire Museum in Washington, D.C.

I'm Peter Ernest, the Executive Director of the Museum.

I served for some 36 years in the Central Intelligence Agency, largely as what is called an operations officer or a case officer.

Every month we'll be bringing you interesting talks with visitors, with authors, with others who have something to do with world of intelligence and espionage.

Welcome again.

This is part two of my conversation with Dick Holm, the author of The Craft we

We Chose about his life in the CIA.

But let me for a moment take you back.

You discuss several fascinating cases

in the course of your book, one of which certainly was an extraordinary

counterintelligence case.

And this occurred while you were the chief of station in Brussels in the mid-80s, I think

85 through 88.

And I wonder if you could just give our viewers a sense of what that case was,

because I think in sort of encapsulated form it gives a window into the kind of thing we can get

involved in when we're overseas and involved in operations. The mission in in Belgium at the time was in large part counterintelligence because we knew that the

Soviets as well as the Chinese as well as many of their

minions were targeting the common market known at that time and NATO.

So we were attuned to what they were up to. I walked into my office one day and there

was a package in it were photographs of two men. It came from another station in Europe that had done an excellent job of

counter surveillance of a Russian GRU general who popped into town periodically.

And when he came into town, we knew, of course, that he was there for some reason,

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