If you think that one person has all the answers, don't!

Welcome to Trust Me, the podcast about cults, extreme belief, and the abuse of power from

two firecrackers who've actually experienced it, I am Lola Blanc, and I am Megan Elizabeth.

And today is part two of our interview with Diane Lake and Deborah Herman.

Diane, if you did not listen last week, was the youngest member of the Manson family,

known in the family as Snake, and Deborah is the co-author of Diane's memoir, which is called,

Member of the Family, My Story of Charles Manson, Life Insight is Cult, and the Darkness that

ended the 60s. So in this episode, we're going to discuss the LSD-fueled lifestyle they were living,

how Dennis Wilson of the Beach Boys was involved with the group, and how Charlie's rhetoric began

getting more and more fixated on the idea of a race war, as he just basically spiraled downward

all while they were all on a lot of drugs. We also get into how she learned about the murders

from the killers themselves, getting out of the group, testifying against them in court,

and how being institutionalized after was the best thing that could have ever happened to her.

So last week, I actually thought that we didn't need to do an explanation of the Manson family

and the murders they committed because it's such common knowledge. And once upon a time in Hollywood,

Quentin Tarantino's last movie was literally just rewriting the story of the Manson murders,

that's how big of an event this was. But then the other night, I was hanging out with a couple of

gals. You know, they're like one year above the Gen Z mark, they're younger, younger than me,

and they did not know the story somehow. One friend asked, bless her heart, she asked how many

Manson girls survived? Oh, which opposite. I was, I was like, no, no, no, no, they killed,

they, they were the non, they, other people are who you should be concerned for in this scenario.

Anyway, that led me to the realization that we absolutely need to be giving an overview for you,

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