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Diane Foley on America's Hostage Blind Spot

The Gist

Mike Pesca

News, Politics, Arts, Daily News

4.43.6K Ratings

🗓️ 4 October 2025

⏱️ 33 minutes

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Summary

Diane Foley, founder of the Foley Foundation and mother of slain journalist James Foley, joins Mike to discuss America's fragmented hostage-recovery system, wrongful detentions, and why the U.S. response lags far behind countries like Israel. In the Spiel, Mike looks at the 20-point Gaza plan, Israeli hostages, and the very different ways nations value their own citizens.

Produced by Corey Wara


Production Coordinator Ashley Khan


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Transcript

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0:00.0

Hi, it's Saturday. It's the Saturday show where I do one from the vault and one from the

0:07.8

week. And this one, the one from the week informs and actually referenced the one from the vault.

0:13.6

So I was looking over the 20, now 20 point plan to solve Gaza. If Hamas gets a copy of it, okays it. And I noticed that so many of the

0:24.9

points dealt with hostages. And that is because the hostages are very, very important to the

0:31.4

Israelis. And you might say, well, hostages are important to every country. They want their

0:36.0

hostages back. I'm not saying

0:38.2

they don't. By they, I mean America. I'm saying, what do we do about it? How much does it occupy

0:45.4

our mind share? How much do we obsess over it or prioritize it versus a country like Israel?

0:52.6

A cohesive, more homogeneous country like Israel.

0:57.5

And so I played a couple of recent pieces of tape of recent hostage releases of Americans

1:03.3

under the premise you probably didn't even know they were taken hostage.

1:09.2

I try to account for a couple reasons, one or two to be fair type reasons,

1:16.1

but I think the real reason is Israel is one kind of country where they think of each other as one

1:22.3

kind of people, where they care for each other, and America is a different kind of country.

1:27.7

At the end of the spiel, I even talked about some of the strategic upsides for being

1:32.8

more or less indifferent to the hostages.

1:35.9

Informing this, and I didn't even get into it in the spiel, but why not?

1:38.9

It's the Saturday show.

1:40.5

Informing this all was the release of a hostage taken by Iraqi militants, thugs.

1:48.3

You could call them as the Biden administration thought of them as political actors in the

1:54.7

fractious Iraqi system.

1:57.4

And she wasn't an American.

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