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🗓️ 4 October 2025
⏱️ 33 minutes
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Diane Foley, founder of the Foley Foundation and mother of slain journalist James Foley, joins Mike to discuss America's fragmented hostage-recovery system, wrongful detentions, and why the U.S. response lags far behind countries like Israel. In the Spiel, Mike looks at the 20-point Gaza plan, Israeli hostages, and the very different ways nations value their own citizens.
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| 0:00.0 | Hi, it's Saturday. It's the Saturday show where I do one from the vault and one from the |
| 0:07.8 | week. And this one, the one from the week informs and actually referenced the one from the vault. |
| 0:13.6 | So I was looking over the 20, now 20 point plan to solve Gaza. If Hamas gets a copy of it, okays it. And I noticed that so many of the |
| 0:24.9 | points dealt with hostages. And that is because the hostages are very, very important to the |
| 0:31.4 | Israelis. And you might say, well, hostages are important to every country. They want their |
| 0:36.0 | hostages back. I'm not saying |
| 0:38.2 | they don't. By they, I mean America. I'm saying, what do we do about it? How much does it occupy |
| 0:45.4 | our mind share? How much do we obsess over it or prioritize it versus a country like Israel? |
| 0:52.6 | A cohesive, more homogeneous country like Israel. |
| 0:57.5 | And so I played a couple of recent pieces of tape of recent hostage releases of Americans |
| 1:03.3 | under the premise you probably didn't even know they were taken hostage. |
| 1:09.2 | I try to account for a couple reasons, one or two to be fair type reasons, |
| 1:16.1 | but I think the real reason is Israel is one kind of country where they think of each other as one |
| 1:22.3 | kind of people, where they care for each other, and America is a different kind of country. |
| 1:27.7 | At the end of the spiel, I even talked about some of the strategic upsides for being |
| 1:32.8 | more or less indifferent to the hostages. |
| 1:35.9 | Informing this, and I didn't even get into it in the spiel, but why not? |
| 1:38.9 | It's the Saturday show. |
| 1:40.5 | Informing this all was the release of a hostage taken by Iraqi militants, thugs. |
| 1:48.3 | You could call them as the Biden administration thought of them as political actors in the |
| 1:54.7 | fractious Iraqi system. |
| 1:57.4 | And she wasn't an American. |
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