The Free Birth Society made millions selling a simple message to pregnant women.

You don't need ultrasounds, doctors or midwives.

You can free birth.

But behind the scenes, terrible things were happening.

I feel ashamed about this, but I didn't think that the deaths were bad until a year after I left.

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Welcome to The Untold Story, everybody.

I'm Martha McCallum.

It is great to have you with me today.

And we are going to be speaking about one of the most intriguing interviews.

And the story and the scandal that erupted in the wake of it over the course of many years that I think we have really seen in journalism and in royal history

for sure. This book by Andy Webb, who's going to join us in just a moment, is called

Diana Rama. And it's named that because the show Panorama was where she did this notorious interview with Martin Bashir. And the book is called deception, entrapment, cover-up, the betrayal of Princess Diana.

And Andy Webb joins me now.

Andy, it is great to have you with us today.

Thanks for being here.

Thank you.

So, Andy, you're a longtime BBC reporter, award-winning documentary filmmaker,

journalist, and you uncovered the story behind the story,

which is what makes you a great guest for the untold story. So, you know, for Americans who

are listening to us, just give us sort of the background of this book and what you uncovered

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