From WNYC Studios. I'm Brian Lehrer. This is my daily politics podcast. It's Thursday, January 9th.

One of the things we always do on the show is try to be open to multiple points of view and go beyond our bubbles.

For listeners who have joined us in recent years, you may not know we were honored to receive a Peabody

award back in 2007 for radio that builds community rather than divides, as they put it.

We've collaborated with the group Search for Common Ground, which does what

its name suggests. And today we'll do a Beyond Our Bubbles segment for this moment in the transition

from the Biden to Trump administrations with a journalist from the left and a journalist from

the right who have been hosting a podcast together. The podcast is called CounterPoints.

It's a spinoff of a larger podcast series called Breaking Points. And with us now are Ryan Grimm,

a founder of the left-oriented site called DropSight News. He was previously a founder of the Intercept

and Washington Bureau Chief for Huff Post,

among other things, and he is the author of several books, including We've Got People and the Squad,

AOC, and the Hope of a Political Revolution. And Emily Jishinsky, Washington correspondent for the site

unheard, which describes its mission as when the

herd takes off in one direction, unheard is for people who dare to think for themselves.

She was previously with conservative media organizations, including the Federalist and the

Washington Examiner. Emily and Ryan, we really appreciate you both giving us some time today.

Welcome to WNYC. Ryan, in your case, welcome back. Oh, thanks, Brian. Good to be back.

Thanks for having us. Can I ask you first briefly to say how would you describe your political

orientation so people know a little of who you are and in the

context of your work, Ryan, would you go first on this?

Yeah, I guess you could call me kind of a Bernie or FDR lefty, kind of, you know,

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